For those living in California - Please call!!!!!

[Миледи]

May be you don't have kids yet, but eventually you will. Do you want them to be exposed to questions of homosexuality in kindergartens?
And those who already have kids, I don't think I need to argue my cause with you. PLEASE CALL!!!

It only takes 20 seconds of your time - I tried it!

California legislators have passed a bill, SB1437, that indoctrinates school children with the homosexual agenda. The bill requires that all new text books (k-12) highlight homosexuals.
Here is excerpts from Analysis of the bill by Senate Committee on Education:

"Bill revises the social sciences course of study to include the age appropriate study of the role and contributions of men, women, various ethnic groups and and people who are lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender, to the economic, political, and social development of California and the United States of America, with particular emphasis on portraying the role of these groups in contemporary society."

This bill is ridiculous, it's expensive and it singles out a small special interest group. We don't need elementary school children exposed to this nonsense.

The governor is doing a phone poll. Urge him to veto this bill. It's very easy, you don't even have to talk to anyone...just follow the instructions below:

Please call the governor's office at 916-445-2841. The phone recording will ask:
A. If you want this message in English?: yes, press 1
B. Is this in regards to a legislation bill? yes, press 2
C. Is the bill SB 1437? yes, press 1
D. Are you in favor of this legislation? no, press 2

It takes less than 30 seconds to make the call.

Please feel free to pass this message along to your friends!!!! A person's sexual orienation should remain in the bedroom, NOT THE CLASSROOM!

[Nucking Futs]

Автор оригинала: Советчик


Finally, we got our own homophobic nut. Collection is complete, no more applicants please.

[Bantik]

Why would you say that? I, for one, completely agree with her!
...

[Миледи]

Автор оригинала: Nucking Futs


Finally, we got our own homophobic nut. Collection is complete, no more applicants please. You are wrong. I have nothing against homosexuals per se. However I'm strongly against discussing those issues with a 5 or 10 years olds.
I said it once, I'll repeat it: "Sex of any kind should not be topic of discussion in elementary school!"

Навешивание ярлыков - дурное наследие страны, из которой большинство из нас сюда приехало.

[Bantik]

But then again, Nucking Futs is a cool-aid drinker of the worst kind....

[Solominka]

I strongly disagree. It sounds like this bill is a commendable initiative. Elementary school children have their own misconceptions and misinterpretations about sex (of course) from friends, TV, etc. It's better to have them corrected in the classroom, where sex education truly belongs. Of course this includes education on sexual and gender diversity. If we want to create an anti-hetero-sexist society (and I personally do), we should start early.

[Bantik]

No way, wrong approach!
Living in the hotbed of this "discussion", every topic is polluted with the real anti-hetero lifestyle...you just can't immagine!

[SLK]

Solominka я с тобой тоже не согласна.... детям в начальных классах - это знать совершенно необязательно....

но мне кажется у нас уже была эта дискуссия:)

[Solominka]

Автор оригинала: SLK
Solominka я с тобой тоже не согласна.... детям в начальных классах - это знать совершенно необязательно....

но мне кажется у нас уже была эта дискуссия:)

И весьма оживленная, и протекала она в нескольких темах одновременно - а как же. Как говорится, все остались при своих:)

[Nucking Futs]

I bet before spitting soliva at each other and calling me a Cool-Aid drinker (I'm obviously a Red Bull addict), we all should sit down and read the bill. How about it, eh? It seems like a lot of what the Great Adviser said in her original post was taken out of contents and as responsible adults, we don't believe political propaganda, do we? Gooooooooood.
I have to admint that I haven't read the bill either, so I can't offer any opinions at this moment.

Btw, the Great Adviser, if you claim to have nothing against homosexuality, why not instead of "be exposed to questions of homosexuality in kindergartens", just simply say "sexuality". I mean, homosexuality is still sexuality, just between 2 members of same sex, right? And there's nothing wrong with it, right? ;)

[Solominka]

California Education Bill Watered Down
Government
Written by TSPR News Service
Monday, 07 August 2006
Bill expanding gay rights in public school curriculum now limited to ban negativity on sexual orientation

Sacramento, California, USA. In a bid for a gubernatorial signature, legislation that would have required public school instructional materials to include the contributions of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people was scaled back Monday to simply prohibit teaching or textbooks that negatively portray persons based on their sexual orientation.

In May, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said the "Legislature should not micromanage curriculum" and vowed to veto the bill if it reached his desk. Critics said his decision was spawned by re-election jitters over angering conservative Republican voters.

"All that's left in the bill now is adding sexual orientation to a long-standing law that prohibits the adoption of official teaching materials or the conducting of school activities that reflect adversely on people on the basis of race, religion, gender and so on," said the bill's author Sen. Sheila Kuehl, D-Santa Monica.

"We took out the section of the bill the governor said would 'micromanage' curriculum because I would like to get his signature on something so we can help students this year," said Kuehl, the first openly lesbian member of the Legislature.

The textbook measure, SB1437, generated intense debate among lawmakers as it moved through the Senate. It is awaiting action in the Assembly where the amendments to weaken the bill were approved Monday.
Criticism of the measure from groups opposing expansion of gay rights was intense. Opponents argued including the contributions of gays and lesbian in textbooks would promote homosexuality.

Supporters countered that textbooks should include the contributions of gays and lesbians just as they are required to contain those of other minority groups.

The bill now would prohibit teachers and textbooks to "reflect adversely" on persons based on sexual orientation. For more than 30 years, textbooks and teachers have been prohibited from negative portrayals of persons based on various characteristics such as ethnicity, gender, nationality or religion.

"While this is not everything we believe needs to be done to address the problem it is still a very important affirmative step to protect kids," said Geoff Kors, executive director of Equality California, the bill's chief backer.

Kuehl's elimination of the mandate on including the contributions of gays and lesbians in textbooks did not win over opponents of her bill.

"(This bill) still requires all teachers, all textbooks and all instructional materials to positively portray cross-dressing, sex change operations, bisexuality and homosexuality," said Randy Thomason, president of Campaign for Children and Families.

It's also not clear if the changes will win over the governor.

But Schwarzenegger spokeswoman Margita Thompson cautioned that "the governor will not sign a bill that micromanages curriculum. That is better left with the State Board of Education."
(http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/08/08/BAGPIKCU2A1.DTL&hw=sex&sn=004&sc=342)

PS: Much ado about nothing, folks?:)

[SLK]

Автор оригинала: Solominka


И весьма оживленная, и протекала она в нескольких темах одновременно - а как же. Как говорится, все остались при своих:)

ну это всегда так... так что я про тоже... Те кто согласны с Советчик позвонят... (мы точно позвоним и все наши друзья, а особенно те у кого есть дети), а те кто не согласны не позвонят... Зачем спорить ?:puzzled:

[SLK]

А у Nucking Futs хотелось бы спросить есть ли у него дети и как отненесется к тому, когда его ребенок придя со школы достанет из рюкзачка книжку "The King and The King"? Или тыкнет пальчиком на проезжающий мимо автобус с реклом вебсайта gay.com, изображающей двух целующихся мужиков и спросит, "папа, папа, а почему дяди целуются?"

(при этом хочу заметить, что фильмы со сценами поцелуя rated PG13 :grin:)

[Solominka]

Автор оригинала: SLK


ну это всегда так... так что я про тоже... Те кто согласны с Советчик позвонят... (мы точно позвоним и все наши друзья, а особенно те у кого есть дети), а те кто не согласны не позвонят... Зачем спорить ?:puzzled:

Спорить совершенно незачем и не о чем - однако ж, уточню, что те, кто проживают в штате Калифорния, и несогласны, тоже по идее должны позвонить - только нажать на другую циферку... ну, чтобы все было честно:) :)

[Solominka]

Автор оригинала: SLK
А у Nucking Futs хотелось бы спросить есть ли у него дети и как отненесется к тому, когда его ребенок придя со школы достанет из рюкзачка книжку "The King and The King"? Или тыкнет пальчиком на проезжающий мимо автобус с реклом вебсайта gay.com, изображающей двух целующихся мужиков и спросит, "папа, папа, а почему дяди целуются?"

(при этом хочу заметить, что фильмы со сценами поцелуя rated PG13 :grin:)

Предлагаю вариант ответа: целуются, потому что любят друг друга!
Do we really want kids to think that sexuality (hetero-homo-bi-) is something shameful or dirty??? Because THESE are kids that might have problems later on in adult life...:(

[klybnichka]

Автор оригинала: Solominka


Предлагаю вариант ответа: целуются, потому что любят друг друга!
Do we really want kids to think that sexuality (hetero-homo-bi-) is something shameful or dirty??? Because THESE are kids that might have problems later on in adult life...:(

полностью согласна.
Если ребенка спросит, именно так и собираюсь говорить.

П.С. только что позвонила, в калифорнии жить не обязательно :grin:

[Миледи]

Соломинка, не зря я ходила искать, наконец нашла вопрос, мнения по которому у нас диаметрально расходятся. :) :)

Elementary school children pretty much are not interested in sex. Period! Physiologicaly they are too young, and if exposed to information, find the whole thing gross.

As for creating "anti-hetero-sexist society". If we want to survive as a species, we better keep it the way it is. Yes, I'm aware of medical advances in IVF and artificial insemenation, but I'll keep my opinion.

The Bill is important, to understand why, just refresh in your memory Stella's Awards posted by SLK about a week ago.

And before NF calls me homofob or something similar again. Я нахожу людей интересными и общаюсь с ними вне зависимости от их сексуальной или религиозной ориентации, цвета кожи и прочих вещей. То, что люди делают у себя в спальне меня не касается. Но то, чему они хотят обучать моих детей меня волнует.

[Миледи]

Regretfully, I have to leave this discussion for some time. But, please don't consider absence of my answers as an agreement. :grin:

[SLK]

Автор оригинала: klybnichka


полностью согласна.
Если ребенка спросит, именно так и собираюсь говорить.

П.С. только что позвонила, в калифорнии жить не обязательно :grin:

что-то я запуталась ты за или против?

[SLK]

Автор оригинала: Solominka


Предлагаю вариант ответа: целуются, потому что любят друг друга!


угу, Соддом и Гоморра... я уже это говорила неоднократно...

[SLK]

Автор оригинала: Советчик
Соломинка, не зря я ходила искать, наконец нашла вопрос, мнения по которому у нас диаметрально расходятся. :) :)

Elementary school children pretty much are not interested in sex. Period! Physiologicaly they are too young, and if exposed to information, find the whole thing gross.

As for creating "anti-hetero-sexist society". If we want to survive as a species, we better keep it the way it is. Yes, I'm aware of medical advances in IVF and artificial insemenation, but I'll keep my opinion.

The Bill is important, to understand why, just refresh in your memory Stella's Awards posted by SLK about a week ago.

And before NF calls me homofob or something similar again. Я нахожу людей интересными и общаюсь с ними вне зависимости от их сексуальной или религиозной ориентации, цвета кожи и прочих вещей. То, что люди делают у себя в спальне меня не касается. Но то, чему они хотят обучать моих детей меня волнует.

СОГЛАСНА!!!!!

[Solominka]

Автор оригинала: klybnichka


П.С. только что позвонила, в калифорнии жить не обязательно :grin:

Good thinking outside the box!:) Уже звоню;) (А то мало ли, вдруг я как-нибудь надумаю в Калифорнию переехать - надо почву подготовить!:) )

[klybnichka]

Автор оригинала: SLK


что-то я запуталась ты за или против?

я за :)

Соломинка : :cheers:

[БAPMAЛЕЙ]

Автор оригинала: klybnichka


я за :)

Соломинка : :cheers:
That's sick. I wouldn't want anyone to teach my son about fag Fridays at EndUp (http://www.theendup.com).

[SLK]

Автор оригинала: БAPMAЛЕЙ

That's sick. I wouldn't want anyone to teach my son about fag Fridays at EndUp (http://www.theendup.com).

наконец-то... голос разума....

пипец у меня волосы дыбом встают от их рассуждений....

[Nucking Futs]

Are we talking about this bill?? http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1401-1450/sb_1437_bill_20060222_introduced.html

If we are, have you people even looked at it before dashing out with "gays will pollute out kid's minds". All it says is that current laws prohibit "sponsored activities
that reflect adversely upon persons because of their race, sex,
color, creed, handicap, national origin, or ancestry". It doesn't only invole sexual orientation, but many other aspects and the bill was written to correct for that.

Here's another interesting link, especially for the types like the Great Advisor that spread rumors without first checking sources: http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/c/california-code.htm

Tysk-tysk, I'm very dissapointed in youz peoplez. I was of a better opinion of your critical thinking abilities.

[БAPMAЛЕЙ]

Автор оригинала: SLK


наконец-то... голос разума....

пипец у меня волосы дыбом встают от их рассуждений.... Пойдёшь в ЭндАп в Пятницу? После 4-5 утра, хотя это уже Суббота, там геев нет уже. Музыка очень хорошая!

[Solominka]

Автор оригинала: Nucking Futs
Are we talking about this bill?? http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1401-1450/sb_1437_bill_20060222_introduced.html

If we are, have you people even looked at it before dashing out with "gays will pollute out kid's minds". All it says is that current laws prohibit "sponsored activities
that reflect adversely upon persons because of their race, sex,
color, creed, handicap, national origin, or ancestry". It doesn't only invole sexual orientation, but many other aspects and the bill was written to correct for that.

Here's another interesting link, especially for the types like the Great Advisor that spead rumors without first checking sources: http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/c/california-code.htm

Tysk-tysk, I'm vary dissapointed in yous pioplez. I was of a better opinion of your critical thinking abilities.

Hey, I already posted this info on the first page of this thread!!!:mad: :)

[БAPMAЛЕЙ]

Автор оригинала: Nucking Futs
...
Tysk-tysk, I'm very dissapointed in youz peoplez. I was of a better opinion of your critical thinking abilities. Может тебе стоит сходить к практологу, и тебе полегчает?

[Nucking Futs]

Автор оригинала: Solominka


Hey, I already posted this info on the first page of this thread!!!:mad: :)

Don't get me wrong, but you posted some crap from a newspaper. Please refer to the link to the actual bill on California government site that I posted.

[Solominka]

Автор оригинала: Nucking Futs


Don't get me wrong, but you posted some crap from a newspaper. Please refer to the link to the actual bill on California government site that I posted.

Ahem, of course it's always better to go to the original source, and I am with you on that... but the newspaper article actually reports the very same thing about this bill... what's so crappy about it?:confused:
Btw, I wasn't questioning your right to post anything you like, I was teasing you in a friendly and respectful manner (or so I hope!:))

[Igorich]

Автор оригинала: Solominka
Do we really want kids to think that sexuality (hetero-homo-bi-) is something shameful or dirty??? Because THESE are kids that might have problems later on in adult life...:(

I don't want children to be brain-washed by making them to think that homosexuality is normal and natural. Only small portion of gay men are homos genetically, large group are gays by conscious or subconscious choice, after being exposed to gay lifestyle or living with gays for years. I want my kids to have normal families and children, unless they have to be gay by nature's mistake.

Now imagine your 24 year old son calls you and says that he's gay, and you'll never have grandchildren. And all this could have been avoided.

[SLK]

Автор оригинала: БAPMAЛЕЙ
Пойдёшь в ЭндАп в Пятницу? После 4-5 утра, хотя это уже Суббота, там геев нет уже. Музыка очень хорошая!

серьезно? я, кстати, чуть не очутилась там в субботу около 4 утра, но потом передумала...

[Igorich]

Автор оригинала: Nucking Futs
[B]Are we talking about this bill?? http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1401-1450/sb_1437_bill_20060222_introduced.html

If we are, have you people even looked at it before dashing out with "gays will pollute out kid's minds".

Homosexual lifestyle propaganda pollutes kids' minds regardless what that bill is about.

[БAPMAЛЕЙ]

Автор оригинала: SLK


серьезно? я, кстати, чуть не очутилась там в субботу около 4 утра, но потом передумала... Well, now this is getting interesting! ICQ!

[SLK]

Автор оригинала: Igorich


Homosexual lifestyle propaganda pollutes kids' minds regardless what that bill is about.

AGREED!


(Even I was shocked when I saw that AD on the side of a bus in downtown SF) :hairy:

[БAPMAЛЕЙ]

Автор оригинала: Solominka


Ahem, of course it's always better to go to the original source, and I am with you on that... but the newspaper article actually reports the very same thing about this bill... what's so crappy about it?:confused:
Btw, I wasn't questioning your right to post anything you like, I was teasing you in a friendly and respectful manner (or so I hope!:)) Almost every news source is usualy bias. In this particular case, you have read SF Chronicle. Do you catch my drift?

[SLK]

Автор оригинала: БAPMAЛЕЙ
Well, now this is getting interesting! ICQ!

то есть это было уже воскресенье:)

[Nucking Futs]

Автор оригинала: Solominka


Ahem, of course it's always better to go to the original source, and I am with you on that... but the newspaper article actually reports the very same thing about this bill... what's so crappy about it?:confused:
Btw, I wasn't questioning your right to post anything you like, I was teasing you in a friendly and respectful manner (or so I hope!:))

In that case, I would like to retrieve my statement "crap" and replace it "most revealing and helpfu". How's that? :)

[Nucking Futs]

Автор оригинала: Igorich


Homosexual lifestyle propaganda pollutes kids' minds regardless what that bill is about.

Nobody wants to pollute your or anybody else's kids. The bill is not even about gay lifestyle. You are arguing here about the issue that doesn't even exist. All you have to do is click that link and read the bill instead of taking some chain-letter for truth.

[Vii]

Там чего, в лигеслатуре, пидарасы одни работают!?!?! :explode: :mad: :confused:

Вообще охуели!!! :mafia: :punch: :explode:

P.S. Позвонил с 3-х разных телефонов, послал всем знакомым
и пошел по этажу, искать 4-й, 5-й и т.д. телефоны! ;)

Later P.S.S

Советчик! В названии топика надо было написать "Спасите - пидарасы в Калифорнии наступают!!!".
Тогда заглянуло-бы больше людей! А то я не сразу обратил внимание, я же не из Калифорнии!

А попробовать помочь-то мы же все можем!
Я надеюсь, они ушами прохлопают, что был звонок не с Калифорнийского номера!

Нашёл 4-й, 5-й, 6-й, 7-й...ищу 8-й...

[SLK]

одни политически (и всякое разно ) корректные скорее:sad:

Марк Твена тоже запретили, там ведь рабство упоминается, представляешь?:rolleyes:

[SLK]

Автор оригинала: Vii

P.S. Позвонил с 3-х разных телефонов, послал всем знакомым
и пошел по этажу, искать 4-й, 5-й и т.д. телефоны! ;)

а интересно если у меня на работе блокированый номер, я наверное до бесконечности звонить могу?:)

[Bolshoy_Slavka]

ужассс... речь ведь идет о детсаде! :mad:

[Bolshoy_Slavka]

Автор оригинала: SLK
одни политически (и всякое разно ) корректные скорее:sad:

Марк Твена тоже запретили, там ведь рабство упоминается, представляешь?:rolleyes:

и сигары! :grin: ;)

[SLK]

Автор оригинала: Bolshoy_Slavka


и сигары! :grin: ;)

СЦУКИ!!!

(and flaming drinks too) ужас... ни в одном баре, клубе Европы не придет в голову зарпетить горящий B-52 например.... (и на погорельцев они вроде не похожи):puzzled:

[Vii]

Так!
Надо организовать массовые, а не единичные, звонки!
Пошёл думать... :cool:

[Bolshoy_Slavka]

Автор оригинала: SLK


СЦУКИ!!!

(and flaming drinks too) ужас... ни в одном баре, клубе Европы не придет в голову зарпетить горящий B-52 например.... (и на погорельцев они вроде не похожи):puzzled:

а почему? логика была какая-нить?

[SLK]

Автор оригинала: Bolshoy_Slavka


а почему? логика была какая-нить?

наверное, придурки устраивали пожары....

[Igorich]

Автор оригинала: Nucking Futs


Nobody wants to pollute your or anybody else's kids. The bill is not even about gay lifestyle. You are arguing here about the issue that doesn't even exist. All you have to do is click that link and read the bill instead of taking some chain-letter for truth.

I'm not arguing about this bill. "Polluting kids' minds" issue does exist without that bill. And if the bill doesn't contribute to the issue, it's a good news. :cheers:

[Bolshoy_Slavka]

Автор оригинала: SLK


наверное, придурки устраивали пожары....

никогда не читал в новостях "бар загорелся от флэйминг дринка" :) Есть такие музыканты "flaming lips", наверное их тоже запретят :)

[Nucking Futs]

Автор оригинала: Igorich


I'm not arguing about this bill. "Polluting kids' minds" issue does exist without that bill. And if the bill doesn't contribute to the issue, it's a good news. :cheers:

Well, any kind of propaganda pollutes one's mind, whether it's homosexual, or heterosexual, or liberal, or conservative, or the one that's being sent around in chains letters - the most effective one, btw, because uneducated individuals who believe it spead it around on message boards.

[Миледи]

Автор оригинала: Nucking Futs


Well, any kind of propaganda pollutes one's mind, whether it's homosexual, or heterosexual, or liberal, or conservative, or the one that's being sent around in chains letters - the most effective one, btw, because uneducated individuals who believe it spead it around on message boards.
NF, here is the excerptions from the link you are so kindly provided (text of the bill itself, if I understand correctly):

"...role and contributions of men, women, various ethnic groups and and people who are lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender, to the economic, political, and social development of California and the United States of America, with particular emphasis on portraying the role of these groups in contemporary society."

Would you please, be as kind, and bring to my attention any current educational text, that put particular emphasis on the role of heterosexual groups in contemporary society?

Речь действительно идёт о пропаганде, причем в самом грязном виде: пропаганда среди детей, т.е. среди самой восприимчивой и незащищённой группы.

[Igorich]

Автор оригинала: Nucking Futs


Well, any kind of propaganda pollutes one's mind, whether it's homosexual, or heterosexual, or liberal, or conservative, or the one that's being sent around in chains letters - the most effective one, btw, because uneducated individuals who believe it spead it around on message boards.

What's wrong with heterosexual propaganda (age restrictions apply)? Is it like "Oh, my God, Bill and Susan are in intimate relationship!"?

[klybnichka]

Автор оригинала: Советчик

NF, here is the excerptions from the link you are so kindly provided (text of the bill itself, if I understand correctly):

"...role and contributions of men, women, various ethnic groups and and people who are lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender, to the economic, political, and social development of California and the United States of America, with particular emphasis on portraying the role of these groups in contemporary society."

Would you please, be as kind, and bring to my attention any current educational text, that put particular emphasis on the role of heterosexual groups in contemporary society?

Речь действительно идёт о пропаганде, причем в самом грязном виде: пропаганда среди детей, т.е. среди самой восприимчивой и незащищённой группы.

umm...did you read the bill? The bill in the link so kindly provided by NF does not say that :puzzled:

[Миледи]

Автор оригинала: klybnichka


umm...did you read the bill? The bill in the link so kindly provided by NF does not say that :puzzled: Klybnichka, it was not a full text of the bill. Check the "Analysis" section here: http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1401-1450/sb_1437_cfa_20060503_085428_sen_comm.html

[Миледи]

Автор оригинала: Vii
Так!
Надо организовать массовые, а не единичные, звонки!
Пошёл думать... :cool: Вий, спасибо за беспокойство. Я люблю Калифорнию и её природу, и её либерализм. К сожалению, иногда людей заносит.
Каждый индивидуум по-своему прав, но не все могут увидеть целую картину. Беда в том, что закон - это не трёп на форуме. Если его примут - это будет равносильно открытой пропаганде гомосексуализма в государственных школах.
Если гомосексуальность заложена в генетический код моих детей, я с этим смирюсь, но если они станут гомосексуалистами потому, что им прополоскают мозги в школе... Я не хочу такого допустить.

[Solominka]

Автор оригинала: Nucking Futs


In that case, I would like to retrieve my statement "crap" and replace it "most revealing and helpfu". How's that? :)

I like that much better (of course):) :) :)

[Solominka]

Автор оригинала: Советчик

NF, here is the excerptions from the link you are so kindly provided (text of the bill itself, if I understand correctly):

"...role and contributions of men, women, various ethnic groups and and people who are lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender, to the economic, political, and social development of California and the United States of America, with particular emphasis on portraying the role of these groups in contemporary society."

Would you please, be as kind, and bring to my attention any current educational text, that put particular emphasis on the role of heterosexual groups in contemporary society?

Речь действительно идёт о пропаганде, причем в самом грязном виде: пропаганда среди детей, т.е. среди самой восприимчивой и незащищённой группы.

Here's the whole paragraph:
"Revises the social sciences course of study to include
the AGE APPROPRIATE study of the role and
contributions of people who are lesbian, gay,
bisexual, or transgender to the development of
California and the nation with emphasis on their role
in contemporary society."

My interperetation would be that the part about heterosexual groups is already included:)
I also think that the words "age appropriate" should not be disregarded by our hot-headed conservative forum members...:) :)

PS: do they really teach social sciences in kindergartens? I had no idea...:)

[Solominka]

Автор оригинала: Igorich


I don't want children to be brain-washed by making them to think that homosexuality is normal and natural. Only small portion of gay men are homos genetically, large group are gays by conscious or subconscious choice, after being exposed to gay lifestyle or living with gays for years. I want my kids to have normal families and children, unless they have to be gay by nature's mistake.

Now imagine your 24 year old son calls you and says that he's gay, and you'll never have grandchildren. And all this could have been avoided.

Well, I hope for your children's sake you will never have to deal with this issue, because it sounds like you would not respect their choices...
It's going to be tough for traditional folks - no matter how much they are resistant to change, society is changing.
It was the same with heterosexuality btw. There used to be times when condoms were no-no, and only sex for procreation was considered "normal and natural"... oh, and women were not supposed to enjoy sex...

[Solominka]

Автор оригинала: Vii
Там чего, в лигеслатуре, пидарасы одни работают!?!?! :explode: :mad: :confused:

Вообще охуели!!! :mafia: :punch: :explode:

P.S. Позвонил с 3-х разных телефонов, послал всем знакомым
и пошел по этажу, искать 4-й, 5-й и т.д. телефоны! ;)

Later P.S.S

Советчик! В названии топика надо было написать "Спасите - пидарасы в Калифорнии наступают!!!".
Тогда заглянуло-бы больше людей! А то я не сразу обратил внимание, я же не из Калифорнии!

А попробовать помочь-то мы же все можем!
Я надеюсь, они ушами прохлопают, что был звонок не с Калифорнийского номера!

Нашёл 4-й, 5-й, 6-й, 7-й...ищу 8-й...

I don't care for your cause, but admire your dedication!
:tongue: :cheers:

[Solominka]

Автор оригинала: Bolshoy_Slavka
ужассс... речь ведь идет о детсаде! :mad:

Где речь идет о детсаде? что конкретно будет происходить в детсаде? полуобнаженные мальчики будут танцевать канкан?
Ну, что за "охота на ведьм"...:(

[Solominka]

Автор оригинала: SLK


угу, Соддом и Гоморра... я уже это говорила неоднократно...


В Библии содержится 6 предостережений, адресованных гомосексуалам, и 362 предостережения гетеросексуалам. Это не значит, что Бог не любит гетеросексуалов. Просто за этими людьми нужно лучше присматривать. Генри Миллер.

:)

[Миледи]

Автор оригинала: Solominka

My interperetation would be that the part about heterosexual groups is already included:)
I also think that the words "age appropriate" should not be disregarded by our hot-headed conservative forum members...:) :)

PS: do they really teach social sciences in kindergartens? I had no idea...:) Solominka, heterosexual groups are not included or excluded. They are simply not mentioned. So far sexual preferences of people, that kids are learning about, are not discussed at all!
But it's all going to change if this bill will go through.
As for "age appropriate". Couple of years ago I've read an article in "Times" magazine about a time table on what your child suppose to know about sex at what age. According to this table, by age 6, kids supposed to be informed about all the details.
So, I wouldn't put too much emphasis on "age appropriate" words, but thank you for posting the whole thing.

[Solominka]

Автор оригинала: Советчик
Solominka, heterosexual groups are not included or excluded. They are simply not mentioned. So far sexual preferences of people, that kids are learning about, are not discussed at all!
But it's all going to change if this bill will go through.
As for "age appropriate". Couple of years ago I've read an article in "Times" magazine about a time table on what your child suppose to know about sex at what age. According to this table, by age 6, kids supposed to be informed about all the details.
So, I wouldn't put too much emphasis on "age appropriate" words, but thank you for posting the whole thing.

This issue always generates a lively discussion here on baraban...most liberal folks are not around today for some reason, and I am tired:) :) I don't believe in superiority of heterosexual lifestyle over gay lifestyle...
Btw, this is an aside note, do you really think that young children are not interested in sexuality?:) ever played "doctor" as a child?:)
In any case, enough of this - how was your day?:)

[Igorich]

Автор оригинала: Solominka


Well, I hope for your children's sake you will never have to deal with this issue, because it sounds like you would not respect their choices...
It's going to be tough for traditional folks - no matter how much they are resistant to change, society is changing.
It was the same with heterosexuality btw. There used to be times when condoms were no-no, and only sex for procreation was considered "normal and natural"... oh, and women were not supposed to enjoy sex...

I'll respect my children choices but I want the probability of facing that choice to be 1:100000 instead of 1:100.

[Миледи]

Автор оригинала: Solominka


This issue always generates a lively discussion here on baraban...most liberal folks are not around today for some reason, and I am tired:) :) I don't believe in superiority of heterosexual lifestyle over gay lifestyle...
Btw, this is an aside note, do you really think that young children are not interested in sexuality?:) ever played "doctor" as a child?:)
In any case, enough of this - how was your day?:) You might be surprised, but young children are really not interested in sex. As for playing doctor, it's an adults who create a problem out of totally innocent game. This game involves nature curiosity and no sexual undertones at all. (up to a certain age of course). :)

Ок, переходим на другой предмет обсуждения. Я где-то в другой теме видела, что твой post очень соответствует профессии, которую ты себе выбрала. Если не секрет, а кто ты по профессии?
Я пока пошла на каток, у нас там сегодня встреча. :cheers:

[Igorich]

Автор оригинала: Solominka
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I don't believe in superiority of heterosexual lifestyle over gay lifestyle...


So, do you want to live to see your grandchildren or not?

[Solominka]

Автор оригинала: Советчик
You might be surprised, but young children are really not interested in sex. As for playing doctor, it's an adults who create a problem out of totally innocent game. This game involves nature curiosity and no sexual undertones at all. (up to a certain age of course). :)

Ок, переходим на другой предмет обсуждения. Я где-то в другой теме видела, что твой post очень соответствует профессии, которую ты себе выбрала. Если не секрет, а кто ты по профессии?
Я пока пошла на каток, у нас там сегодня встреча. :cheers:

I beg to disagree about sexuality and young children... :)

По профессии? Угадай:) :)
Каток - это классно!:cheers:

[Solominka]

Автор оригинала: Igorich


So, do you want to live to see your grandchildren or not?

Oh please! When I think that it's time to settle down and start having children it's already a scary thought, and you want me to think about grandchildren!!!:tongue:

On a more serious note, the answer to your question is: of course I would like to live to see my grandchildren - whether they are biological or adopted:)

[Vii]

Автор оригинала: Solominka


I don't care for your cause, but admire your dedication!
:tongue: :cheers:

;) :tongue:

[Vii]

Автор оригинала: Solominka


Где речь идет о детсаде? что конкретно будет происходить в детсаде? полуобнаженные мальчики будут танцевать канкан?
Ну, что за "охота на ведьм"...:(

Не надо травмировать детскую психику ничем!
При нормальном развитии мальчик в 6-7 лет пусть думает о том,
как поцеловать девочку, а не как сберечь собственную задницу.

[Solominka]

Автор оригинала: Vii


мальчик в 6-7 лет пусть думает о том,
как поцеловать девочку...

А ты целовал девочек в 6 лет?:eek:;) Расскажи...:) :) :)

[Vii]

Автор оригинала: Solominka


А ты целовал девочек в 6 лет?:eek:;) Расскажи...:) :) :)

Мы с подружкой в 6 лет, в тихий час в садике под одеялом, в муж-жена играли... :rolleyes: :)

Даже её имя, фамилию помню. :tongue: ;)

[Nucking Futs]

Автор оригинала: Igorich


I'll respect my children choices but I want the probability of facing that choice to be 1:100000 instead of 1:100.

Wow, you really think that becoming a homosexual is a choice rather than from birth??? Wow, you really have a lot of catching up to do :grin:

It really kills and saddens me when somebody dives into an argment without a prior background knowledge.

[Dee]

Автор оригинала: Nucking Futs


Wow, you really think that becoming a homosexual is a choice rather than from birth??? Wow, you really have a lot of catching up to do :grin:

It really kills and saddens me when somebody dives into an argment without a prior background knowledge.
Not sure if I agree with you here.

[Drey]

Автор оригинала: Vii


Мы с подружкой в 6 лет, в тихий час в садике под одеялом, в муж-жена играли... :rolleyes: :)

Даже её имя, фамилию помню. :tongue: ;)

oh... that детский сад... thanks for reminding sweet times... i cannot recall the name of my 'жена' though :) :cheers:

[Nucking Futs]

Автор оригинала: Dee

Not sure if I agree with you here.

On what, that it kills me or saddens me?

Here's an interesting fact. A well-respected anthropologist Alfred Kinsley conducted a survey among American men and discovered that 37% of them had had at least one homosexual encounter during their lifetime. He also found that only 4% of the surveyed were exclusevely homosexual (for biological reasons) and 8-13% were predomenantly homosexual for at least 3 years of their lifetime. Apparently, being "predomenantly homosexual" is quite normal, especially for teens going through rebelious years. They switch camps during their teen years onces and then back in their 20-s (when the rebelion is over, I'm guessing). Oh yeah, his work was called "Behavior in the Human Male". Guess when it was published? In freaking 1948 - conservative 80's looks like a hippy theme park in comparison to the '40's. Not a lot of people wanted to admit being a homosexual in those years. I bet if the survey were conducted now, these numbers would have been on the order higher, somewhere in 40+%. Here's the naked truth (get it, talking about sexuality and "naked truth"?... ahhh, forget it): one in every 2-3 male friends you have, have had at least one homosexual experience in his lifetime. How's that for a truth? :grin:

Too bad he didn't do the survey on women, that would be interesting also.

[Dee]

Автор оригинала: Nucking Futs


On what, that it kills me or saddens me?

Here's an interesting fact. A well-respected anthropologist Alfred Kinsley conducted a survey among American men and discovered that 37% of them had had at least one homosexual encounter during their lifetime. He also found that only 4% of the surveyed were exclusevely homosexual (for biological reasons) and 8-13% were predomenantly homosexual for at least 3 years of their lifetime. Apparently, being "predomenantly homosexual" is quite normal, especially for teens going through rebelious years. They switch camps during their teen years onces and then back in their 20-s (when the rebelion is over, I'm guessing). Oh yeah, his work was called "Behavior in the Human Male". Guess when it was published? In freaking 1948 - conservative 80's looks like a hippy theme park in comparison to the '40's. Not a lot of people wanted to admit being a homosexual in those years. I bet if the survey were conducted now, these numbers would have been on the order higher, somewhere in 40+%. Here's the naked truth (get it, talking about sexuality and "naked truth"?... ahhh, forget it): one in every 2-3 male friends you have, have had at least one homosexual experience in his lifetime. How's that for a truth? :grin:

Too bad he didn't do the survey on women, that would be interesting also.

We all have a potenitial of being a thief, but we know that it's wrong, and we don't do it. Vse chtoto kogdato vorovali (I mean like candy and stuff), and if at the time we were told that it was OK, we would keep doing it. Nas vovremya ostanovili..
Do you catch my drift?

[Drey]

Автор оригинала: Nucking Futs


On what, that it kills me or saddens me?

Here's an interesting fact. A well-respected anthropologist Alfred Kinsley conducted a survey among American men and discovered that 37% of them had had at least one homosexual encounter during their lifetime. He also found that only 4% of the surveyed were exclusevely homosexual (for biological reasons) and 8-13% were predomenantly homosexual for at least 3 years of their lifetime. Apparently, being "predomenantly homosexual" is quite normal, especially for teens going through rebelious years. They switch camps during their teen years onces and then back in their 20-s (when the rebelion is over, I'm guessing). Oh yeah, his work was called "Behavior in the Human Male". Guess when it was published? In freaking 1948 - conservative 80's looks like a hippy theme park in comparison to the '40's. Not a lot of people wanted to admit being a homosexual in those years. I bet if the survey were conducted now, these numbers would have been on the order higher, somewhere in 40+%. Here's the naked truth (get it, talking about sexuality and "naked truth"?... ahhh, forget it): one in every 2-3 male friends you have, have had at least one homosexual experience in his lifetime. How's that for a truth? :grin:

Too bad he didn't do the survey on women, that would be interesting also.
now that IS interesting... sounds a bit off though... every one in 3?! was the same research done for women i wonder where the numbers be in that department?

[Nucking Futs]

Автор оригинала: Dee


We all have a potenitial of being a thief, but we know that it's wrong, and we don't do it. Vse chtoto kogdato vorovali (I mean like candy and stuff), and if at the time we were told that it was OK, we would keep doing it. Nas vovremya ostanovili..
Do you catch my drift?

It's a matter of opinion whether it's right or wrong. I trust the numbers, however, they don't decieve.

[Dee]

Автор оригинала: Nucking Futs


It's a matter of opinion whether it's right or wrong. I trust the numbers, however, they don't decieve. \

you must not have children?

[Nucking Futs]

Автор оригинала: Drew

now that IS interesting... sounds a bit off though... every one in 3?! was the same research done for women i wonder where the numbers be in that department?

Well, not literally 1 in 3, but on the average. I bet you can dig out lots of work in the field on women. I read Kinsley's work because it's the most famous and widely accepted.

[Nucking Futs]

Автор оригинала: Dee
\

you must not have children?

Dude, I have a 5-year-old. Surprised I'm no gay? Well, I just look at things and life in general less conservative. ;)

[Dee]

Автор оригинала: Nucking Futs


Dude, I have a 5-year-old. Surprised I'm no gay? Well, I just look at things and life in general less conservative. ;)

I'm about 4 braw size's ahead of a DUDE my friend!!!
I never said you were gay!!!! Do you have a boy?

[Nucking Futs]

Автор оригинала: Dee


I'm about 4 braw size's ahead of a DUDE my friend!!!
I never said you were gay!!!! Do you have a boy?

4 sizes, really? Wanna go for lunch some day? :grin: Just kidding. I use "dude" as a sexless reference to a person I'm well acquainted with.

Yep, it's a boy. And I will be quite alright if one day he anounces he's gay, if this is the way you're going.

[Dee]

Автор оригинала: Nucking Futs


4 sizes, really? Wanna go for lunch some day? :grin: Just kidding. I use "dude" as a sexless reference to a person I'm well acquainted with.

Yep, it's a boy. And I will be quite alright if one day he anounces he's gay, if this is the way you're going.

Estestvenno esli eto proizoydet, most people would be OK with it, prosto hotyat eto "prevent".

[Миледи]

Автор оригинала: Solominka


I beg to disagree about sexuality and young children... :)

По профессии? Угадай:) :)
Каток - это классно!:cheers: Kissing another 6-x years old or playing "mommy and daddy" or "husband and wife", however you put it. It's not about sexuality, it's about role playing and imitation. :)

Ты - психолог? (гадаю на кофейной гуще). LOL

На катке было классно, только коньки ужасные. Жалко, что ты живёшь в другом штате. You would fit right in!

[Миледи]

Автор оригинала: Nucking Futs


Here's an interesting fact. A well-respected anthropologist Alfred Kinsley conducted a survey among American men and discovered that 37% of them had had at least one homosexual encounter during their lifetime. He also found that only 4% of the surveyed were exclusevely homosexual (for biological reasons) and 8-13% were predomenantly homosexual for at least 3 years of their lifetime. Apparently, being "predomenantly homosexual" is quite normal, especially for teens going through rebelious years. They switch camps during their teen years onces and then back in their 20-s (when the rebelion is over, I'm guessing). NF, thank you for providing all the facts. I mean it.

So, probably about 40% of males had at least one homosexual encounter. It doesn't surprise me a bit. Curiosity is a major driving force for the human kind.

The most important thing you wrote (from my point of view) is the fact that those who were "predominantly homosexual" during their rebelious years switched back when the rebellion was over.
Now, if they were taught in school about importance of homosexual people for development of state of CA, some of them might not switched back, don't you think?

Муж только что пришёл домой, увидел чем я занимаюсь, и радостно заявил, что он - лесбиян (надеюсь анекдот все знают?).
Надоело мне, ребята, спорить. Всё равно каждый останется при своём мнении.

[Igorich]

Автор оригинала: Nucking Futs


Wow, you really think that becoming a homosexual is a choice rather than from birth???

Small part is born gay, for larger part it's an obtained view/feeling/habit to the point when it's not a choice anymore.

[Solominka]

Автор оригинала: Nucking Futs


On what, that it kills me or saddens me?

Here's an interesting fact. A well-respected anthropologist Alfred Kinsley conducted a survey among American men and discovered that 37% of them had had at least one homosexual encounter during their lifetime. He also found that only 4% of the surveyed were exclusevely homosexual (for biological reasons) and 8-13% were predomenantly homosexual for at least 3 years of their lifetime. Apparently, being "predomenantly homosexual" is quite normal, especially for teens going through rebelious years. They switch camps during their teen years onces and then back in their 20-s (when the rebelion is over, I'm guessing). Oh yeah, his work was called "Behavior in the Human Male". Guess when it was published? In freaking 1948 - conservative 80's looks like a hippy theme park in comparison to the '40's. Not a lot of people wanted to admit being a homosexual in those years. I bet if the survey were conducted now, these numbers would have been on the order higher, somewhere in 40+%. Here's the naked truth (get it, talking about sexuality and "naked truth"?... ahhh, forget it): one in every 2-3 male friends you have, have had at least one homosexual experience in his lifetime. How's that for a truth? :grin:

Too bad he didn't do the survey on women, that would be interesting also.

Well, there is a matter of experimenting and playing games... and bisexuality - some people just swing either way:)
You see, our sexual orientation is on a continuum, so it would be very difficult - if not impossible - to find a "straight" person that never had the same-sex experience, fantasy or at least a dream:)
Btw, there are some more recent surveys on both genders. Have you seen "Kinsley"? what did you think?

[Igorich]

Автор оригинала: Nucking Futs


On what, that it kills me or saddens me?

Here's an interesting fact. A well-respected anthropologist Alfred Kinsley conducted a survey among American men and discovered that 37% of them had had at least one homosexual encounter ...

What saddens and amuses me is when someone uses fraud work of a child molester and homosexual pervert who seduced his male students and forced his wife and associates to perform in homemade pornographic films (http://www.savethemales.ca/091101.html)

"Kinsey's agenda, in Reisman's words, was "to supplant what he saw as a narrow procreational Judeo Christian era with a promiscuous "anything goes" bi/gay pedophile paradise." (Crafting Gay Children: An Inquiry, p.4) More than 25% of his sample were prostitutes and prison inmates including many sex offenders. Kinsey, who died prematurely of disease associated with excessive masturbation, said 10 per cent of American men were gay when, in fact, only two per cent were. Kinsey and his team of pedophiles abused 2,000 infants and children to prove that they have legitimate sexual needs. Reisman concludes: "America's growing libidinous pathologies...taught in schools...and reflected in our fine and popular arts, the press, law and public policylargely mirror the documented sexual psychopathologies of the Kinsey team itself." (Kinsey: Crimes and Consequences)"

So much for "background knowledge".

[Solominka]

Автор оригинала: Dee


Estestvenno esli eto proizoydet, most people would be OK with it, prosto hotyat eto "prevent".

Honey, if they wnat to prevent it, they wouldn't be "ok" with it, they would be at least disappointed:)

[Igorich]

Автор оригинала: Drew

now that IS interesting... sounds a bit off though... every one in 3?! was the same research done for women i wonder where the numbers be in that department?

Alfred Kinsley is a fraud, see above.

[Igorich]

Автор оригинала: Советчик
NF, thank you for providing all the facts...

Those ain't facts.

[Solominka]

Автор оригинала: Советчик
Kissing another 6-x years old or playing "mommy and daddy" or "husband and wife", however you put it. It's not about sexuality, it's about role playing and imitation. :)

Actally, even very young children experience sexual needs and desires, although adults are more comfortable thinking of them as asexual. Kissing, playing a doctor, getting a girl to show her panties (or take them off), etc... is not just about imitation:)Although of course those needs and desires by no means are conscious and clearly defined. Sometimes you may find even an infant playing with his/her genitals... and apparently enjoying it:) Of course individiual children (and people!) have these needs and desires to a varying degree, and also have a variable developmental pace:)

Ты - психолог? (гадаю на кофейной гуще). LOL

Ты знал, ты знал!! : tongue: :)


На катке было классно, только коньки ужасные. Жалко, что ты живёшь в другом штате. You would fit right in!

Даже в другой стране, но я приеду в гости!! :cheers:

[Drey]

Автор оригинала: Igorich


Alfred Kinsley is a fraud, see above.
wow... interesting and wtf is with 'disease associated with excessive masturbation'? :)

[Solominka]

Автор оригинала: Igorich


What saddens and amuses me is when someone uses fraud work of a child molester and homosexual pervert who seduced his male students and forced his wife and associates to perform in homemade pornographic films (http://www.savethemales.ca/091101.html)

"Kinsey's agenda, in Reisman's words, was "to supplant what he saw as a narrow procreational Judeo Christian era with a promiscuous "anything goes" bi/gay pedophile paradise." (Crafting Gay Children: An Inquiry, p.4) More than 25% of his sample were prostitutes and prison inmates including many sex offenders. Kinsey, who died prematurely of disease associated with excessive masturbation, said 10 per cent of American men were gay when, in fact, only two per cent were. Kinsey and his team of pedophiles abused 2,000 infants and children to prove that they have legitimate sexual needs. Reisman concludes: "America's growing libidinous pathologies...taught in schools...and reflected in our fine and popular arts, the press, law and public policylargely mirror the documented sexual psychopathologies of the Kinsey team itself." (Kinsey: Crimes and Consequences)"

So much for "background knowledge".

Some of his research and personal choices is certainly questionable... however, what you are describing is also misrepresenting the facts, as far as I am aware.
Btw, what is this "diseasë associated with excessive masturbation" that he died from?:confused: :( :tongue:

[Solominka]

Автор оригинала: Drew

wow... interesting and wtf is with 'disease associated with excessive masturbation'? :)

LOL, I just asked the same question:cheers:

[Drey]

Автор оригинала: Solominka


LOL, I just asked the same question:cheers:
lol :) scared?

[Solominka]

Автор оригинала: Drew

lol :) scared?

delighted;)

[Drey]

Автор оригинала: Solominka


delighted;) :cheers:

[Igorich]

Автор оригинала: Drew

wow... interesting and wtf is with 'disease associated with excessive masturbation'? :)

No lubrication? :confused:

[Solominka]

Автор оригинала: Igorich


No lubrication? :confused:

"А счастье было так возможно!" (с)
:cry: :cry: :cry:
:grin:

[Drey]

Автор оригинала: Igorich


No lubrication? :confused:
dude... :) now that's funny :) and here is a note from wikipedia:
Kinsey died on August 25, 1956, at the age of 62. The cause of death was reported to be heart disease and pneumonia.

[Igorich]

Автор оригинала: Solominka


Some of his research and personal choices is certainly questionable... however, what you are describing is also misrepresenting the facts, as far as I am aware.
Btw, what is this "diseasë associated with excessive masturbation" that he died from?:confused: :( :tongue:

At least you admit now that Kinsey misrepresented the facts. ;)

From wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Kinsey#Controversy) :

"Aside from criticism of the implications of his research, Kinsey had been rumored to participate in unusual sexual practices. In James H. Jones's biography, Alfred C. Kinsey: A Public/Private Life, Kinsey is described as a bisexual masochist. He is reported to have encouraged group sex involving his graduate students, wife and staff. It is also known that Kinsey filmed sexual acts in the attic of his home as part of his research. Biographer Jonathan Gathorne-Hardy explained that using Kinsey's home for the filming of sexual acts was done to ensure the films' secrecy, which would certainly have caused a scandal had the public become aware of them. Some have suggested that the films Kinsey made were not scientific, but pornographic in nature. Jones stated that Kinsey's wife had had sex with other men, but that the couple remained married for 35 years in a relationship that remained sexual until Kinsey became ill near the end of his life. None of these accounts of Kinsey's sex life are supported by official statements from the Kinsey Institute. Although some of them have been confirmed by independent sources, such as his being bisexual, other claims are disputed by the Kinsey Institute and others. [1][2]

Kinsey's work continues to elicit controversy decades after his death. His collected data regarding sex and children have led to accusations of child abuse, even though Kinsey obtained the information from interviews with children at least one of whose parents was always present, and from the diaries of a Mr. X, who claimed to have engaged in hundreds of acts of incest and child molestation which he chronicled in explicit detail.

Although the investigation into sexual behavior carried out by Kinsey resulted in an explosion of knowledge about topics previously considered taboo, there are continuing claims that the Kinsey Reports contain statistical and methodological errors. Nonetheless, his data are still widely cited despite questions by some about their validity."

[Solominka]

Автор оригинала: Drew

dude... :) now that's funny :) and here is a note from wikipedia:
Kinsey died on August 25, 1956, at the age of 62. The cause of death was reported to be heart disease and pneumonia.

Может, у него случился инфаркт в самый критический момент?:)

[Drey]

sounds like the dude was studing what he was very interested in :) и шо я в дохтуры не пошел...?
lol

[Solominka]

Автор оригинала: Igorich


At least you admit now that Kinsey misrepresented the facts. ;)

From wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Kinsey#Controversy) :

"Aside from criticism of the implications of his research, Kinsey had been rumored to participate in unusual sexual practices. In James H. Jones's biography, Alfred C. Kinsey: A Public/Private Life, Kinsey is described as a bisexual masochist. He is reported to have encouraged group sex involving his graduate students, wife and staff. It is also known that Kinsey filmed sexual acts in the attic of his home as part of his research. Biographer Jonathan Gathorne-Hardy explained that using Kinsey's home for the filming of sexual acts was done to ensure the films' secrecy, which would certainly have caused a scandal had the public become aware of them. Some have suggested that the films Kinsey made were not scientific, but pornographic in nature. Jones stated that Kinsey's wife had had sex with other men, but that the couple remained married for 35 years in a relationship that remained sexual until Kinsey became ill near the end of his life. None of these accounts of Kinsey's sex life are supported by official statements from the Kinsey Institute. Although some of them have been confirmed by independent sources, such as his being bisexual, other claims are disputed by the Kinsey Institute and others. [1][2]

Kinsey's work continues to elicit controversy decades after his death. His collected data regarding sex and children have led to accusations of child abuse, even though Kinsey obtained the information from interviews with children at least one of whose parents was always present, and from the diaries of a Mr. X, who claimed to have engaged in hundreds of acts of incest and child molestation which he chronicled in explicit detail.

Although the investigation into sexual behavior carried out by Kinsey resulted in an explosion of knowledge about topics previously considered taboo, there are continuing claims that the Kinsey Reports contain statistical and methodological errors. Nonetheless, his data are still widely cited despite questions by some about their validity."

Yep, these are the facts that I am aware of:) Please pay attention to wods such as "reported" and "claimed" - that 's a far cry from "proven":) You can make unsubstantiated claims and unfounded accusations:) If your research participant happens to be a pedophile and you interview him about what he had done, that doesn't make you one - otherwise all forensic psychologists should be incarcerated:)

[Drey]

Автор оригинала: Solominka


Может, у него случился инфаркт в самый критический момент?:)

i know... right when he ran out of lube he got a stroke

[Solominka]

Автор оригинала: Drew


i know... right when he ran out of lube he got a stroke

Well, yes, wouldn't it be DISAPPOINTING?? ANXIETY-PROVOKING??

Here's the bottom line: if you want to live a long and happy life, make sure to never run out of lubricants:tongue:

[Drey]

'Как я по Вашим узким пальчикам
Водила сонною щекой,
Как Вы меня дразнили мальчиком,
Как я Вам нравилась такой...
(Цветаева)'

so in тему Soloминка, hahaha

[Solominka]

Автор оригинала: Drew
'Как я по Вашим узким пальчикам
Водила сонною щекой,
Как Вы меня дразнили мальчиком,
Как я Вам нравилась такой...
(Цветаева)'

so in тему Soloминка, hahaha

Мои подписи всегда в тему;):cheers:

[Drey]

Автор оригинала: Solominka


Well, yes, wouldn't it be DISAPPOINTING?? ANXIETY-PROVOKING??

Here's the bottom line: if you want to live a long and happy life, make sure to never run out of lubricants:tongue:
no ****... i better pay attention to that... previously i never relied on lube that much but... век живи век учись

[Solominka]

Автор оригинала: Drew

no ****... i better pay attention to that... previously i never relied on lube that much but... век живи век учись

Great - let's make sure that we all visit a nearby sex shop or at least a drugstore first thing tomorrow morning... there is no time to waste!!
I'll go and get a bit more sleep in a meantime:)

[Drey]

Автор оригинала: Solominka


Great - let's make sure that we all visit a nearby sex shop or at least a drugstore first thing tomorrow morning... there is no time to waste!!
I'll go and get a bit more sleep in a meantime:)
asta la bye bye

[Bantik]

Автор оригинала: Solominka


Предлагаю вариант ответа: целуются, потому что любят друг друга!
Do we really want kids to think that sexuality (hetero-homo-bi-) is something shameful or dirty??? Because THESE are kids that might have problems later on in adult life...:( As a professional, you should be carefull what you are educating and advising here.
Just take a look at billions of people before the homosexual agenda hit the news, are you saying we are all introllerant and moronic enough to debase homosexuals??

The backlash could be tremendous, Solominka, carefull there!

[Bantik]

Автор оригинала: Nucking Futs

Tysk-tysk, I'm very dissapointed in youz peoplez. I was of a better opinion of your critical thinking abilities. Gawd, you are dumb and slow!

THIS TIME it's this bill, two months ago another bill, half a year ago - gay marriage bill, a year ago - gay marriage in courts...

Your way of tollerance is self-destructive, keep it to yourself.

[Bantik]

Автор оригинала: Советчик

Речь действительно идёт о пропаганде, причем в самом грязном виде: пропаганда среди детей, т.е. среди самой восприимчивой и незащищённой группы. But, you see, the part you highlited is conveniently SLEPT OVER by certain accepting individuals, wgere the homosexual agebda actualy gains fround through - "Well, I don't see anything wrong with people doing things behind closed doors"...IN A PUBLIC SCHOOL, veiled as "educational and enlightening material".....

[Bantik]

Автор оригинала: Vii


Мы с подружкой в 6 лет, в тихий час в садике под одеялом, в муж-жена играли... :rolleyes: :)

Даже её имя, фамилию помню. :tongue: ;) O! :cheers:

...me at 5 :)

[Bantik]

Автор оригинала: Nucking Futs


Wow, you really think that becoming a homosexual is a choice rather than from birth??? Wow, you really have a lot of catching up to do :grin: Let me catch up then, show me the proof of your statement, please!


It really kills and saddens me when somebody dives into an argment without a prior background knowledge. ...I am waiting...

[Solominka]

)Автор оригинала: Bantik
As a professional, you should be carefull what you are educating and advising here.


I hear your warning, darling!
A disclaimer: I am here in a non-professional capacity. I might be bringing some of my background knowledge into the debate, but I would never presume to educate or advise on baraban
(... anonymously... free of charge.... what's the point in any case :puzzled: :tongue: )
:) :) :)

[Nucking Futs]

Автор оригинала: Igorich


What saddens and amuses me is when someone uses fraud work of a child molester and homosexual pervert who seduced his male students and forced his wife and associates to perform in homemade pornographic films (http://www.savethemales.ca/091101.html)

"Kinsey's agenda, in Reisman's words, was "to supplant what he saw as a narrow procreational Judeo Christian era with a promiscuous "anything goes" bi/gay pedophile paradise." (Crafting Gay Children: An Inquiry, p.4) More than 25% of his sample were prostitutes and prison inmates including many sex offenders. Kinsey, who died prematurely of disease associated with excessive masturbation, said 10 per cent of American men were gay when, in fact, only two per cent were. Kinsey and his team of pedophiles abused 2,000 infants and children to prove that they have legitimate sexual needs. Reisman concludes: "America's growing libidinous pathologies...taught in schools...and reflected in our fine and popular arts, the press, law and public policylargely mirror the documented sexual psychopathologies of the Kinsey team itself." (Kinsey: Crimes and Consequences)"

So much for "background knowledge".

Dispite whatever that pissed-off person wrote about Kinsley, he is still a well-known and respected anthropologist, unlike the author of that article you posted. His works are still being referenced by other scientists in their papers. I bet with a bit persuasion, you can find some dirt on George Washington being a sado-maso-pedophile. ;)

[Nucking Futs]

Автор оригинала: Bantik
Gawd, you are dumb and slow!

THIS TIME it's this bill, two months ago another bill, half a year ago - gay marriage bill, a year ago - gay marriage in courts...

Your way of tollerance is self-destructive, keep it to yourself.

Since you've switched to personalities, you're dumb and blind, because the bill in question says nothing about removing "moms" and "dads" from textbooks, but to promote racial, religious, sexual (in the sence that besides male-female partners there're other combinations), cultural, handicap AGE APPROPRIATE diversity at public schools. It also says nothing about preschoolers. If this diversity was promoted in our schools, there woudn't be a bunch of scared Russians on Baraban screaming "Fag are comming!!! Save America and our children from fags and niggers!"

Here's the link to the bill posted yet again personally for you here, RTFM, arm yourself with knowledge my friend: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1401-1450/sb_1437_bill_20060222_introduced.html

[Bolshoy_Slavka]

Напоминаю участникам что этот форум МОДЕРИРУЕТСЯ.

[Nucking Futs]

Автор оригинала: Bolshoy_Slavka
Напоминаю участникам что этот форум МОДЕРИРУЕТСЯ.

For that reason you should remove the very first post, because it completely misrepresents the actual bill. I'm not even sure who's political interests it was supposed to satisfy, but it surely is doing its job, because so many local individuals are actually believing it.

[Bolshoy_Slavka]

Автор оригинала: Nucking Futs


For that reason you should remove the very first post, because it completely misrepresents the actual bill. I'm not even sure who's political interests it was supposed to satisfy, but it surely is doing its job, because so many local individuals are actually believing it.

Please don't tell me what I should or should not do. The governor's office takes calls from both pro and con parties. Everyone's free to voice their opinion. It's great to discuss the bill and its implications, but kindly refraim from personal insults. Dixi.

[Nucking Futs]

Автор оригинала: Bolshoy_Slavka


Please don't tell me what I should or should not do. The governor's office takes calls from both pro and con parties. Everyone's free to voice their opinion. It's great to discuss the bill and its implications, but kindly refraim from personal insults. Dixi.

Here we go again? Have you read the bill? Have you read the first post in this thread? Do they even look close? Use your own judgement, Mr. Bir Moderator, eh.

[Nucking Futs]

Автор оригинала: Bolshoy_Slavka


Please don't tell me what I should or should not do. The governor's office takes calls from both pro and con parties. Everyone's free to voice their opinion. It's great to discuss the bill and its implications, but kindly refraim from personal insults. Dixi.

But you're right, this is not the place for personal insults, so I've removed mine. The lack of coffeine takes its tall. I'm off for a cup.

[Solominka]

Автор оригинала: Nucking Futs




So, did you call?

[Миледи]

I agree that original text was not exactly correct, and I would love to edit it, but the time limit for editing is gone. If any of the moderators are able to change original text to this one (it's only one minor change), I would appreciate it, but please keep my highlights.


Please read the original message as follows:

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May be you don't have kids yet, but eventually you will. Do you want them to be exposed to questions of homosexuality in kindergartens?
And those who already have kids, I don't think I need to argue my cause with you. PLEASE CALL!!!

It only takes 20 seconds of your time - I tried it!

California legislators have passed a bill, SB1437, that indoctrinates school children with the homosexual agenda. The bill requires that all new text books (k-12) highlight homosexuals.
Here is excerpts from Analysis of the bill by Senate Committee on Education:

"Bill revises the social sciences course of study to include the age appropriate study of the role and contributions of men, women, various ethnic groups and and people who are lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender, to the economic, political, and social development of California and the United States of America, with particular emphasis on portraying the role of these groups in contemporary society."

This bill is ridiculous, it's expensive and it singles out a small special interest group. We don't need elementary school children exposed to this nonsense.

The governor is doing a phone poll. Urge him to veto this bill. It's very easy, you don't even have to talk to anyone...just follow the instructions below:

Please call the governor's office at 916-445-2841. The phone recording will ask:
A. If you want this message in English?: yes, press 1
B. Is this in regards to a legislation bill? yes, press 2
C. Is the bill SB 1437? yes, press 1
D. Are you in favor of this legislation? no, press 2

It takes less than 30 seconds to make the call.

Please feel free to pass this message along to your friends!!!! A person's sexual orienation should remain in the bedroom, NOT THE CLASSROOM!

[Миледи]

Автор оригинала: Solominka


So, did you call? O yes! I did! From all the phones I have available, and I made my husband do the same thing. It's way too important.

[Bolshoy_Slavka]

Автор оригинала: Советчик
I agree that original text was not exactly correct, and I would love to edit it, but the time limit for editing is gone. If any of the moderators are able to change original text to this one (it's only one minor change), I would appreciate it, but please keep my highlights.


Please read the original message as follows:

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Done :)

[Миледи]

Автор оригинала: Bolshoy_Slavka


Done :) Слава, спасибо большое!

[Nucking Futs]

Автор оригинала: Советчик
O yes! I did! From all the phones I have available, and I made my husband do the same thing. It's way too important.

I still can't understand what the bill has to do with homosexuality alone as it also clearly lists religion, race, national origin, handicap disabilities and a few more. I'm guessing it's some sort of selective judgement, we only notice what we really want to notice (or what we're affraid of for that matter). I myself woudn't want to my kids to be "diversified" by religious fanatics, that's what private schools are for - but that's my selective judgement :)

[Миледи]

Автор оригинала: Solominka Ты - психолог? (гадаю на кофейной гуще). LOL

Ты знал, ты знал!! : tongue:

На катке было классно, только коньки ужасные. Жалко, что ты живёшь в другом штате. You would fit right in!

Даже в другой стране, но я приеду в гости!!
Соломинка, ну как я теперь буду с тобой спорить, если ты - профессионал, а я - так себе любитель?:) :puzzled:
Буду очень рада встретиться, когда приедешь! :cheers:

[SLK]

Советчик вы вчера катались?

[Миледи]

Автор оригинала: Nucking Futs


I still can't understand what the bill has to do with homosexuality alone as it also clearly lists religion, race, national origin, handicap disabilities and a few more. I'm guessing it's some sort of selective judgement, we only notice what we really want to notice (or what we're affraid of for that matter). I myself woudn't want to my kids to be "diversified" by religious fanatics, that's what private schools are for - but that's my selective judgement :) NF, bills are written in a way, that only people with special education (lawyers for example) are able to really understand it. So, instead of looking at the text of the bill, where I definetely will not be able to understand all the implications, I've read the analysis of this bill. And analysis doesn't leave any doubts.:sad:

[Миледи]

Автор оригинала: SLK
Советчик вы вчера катались? Мы с Москвичкой очень хорошо покатались. Вообще там половина катка говорила по-русски, но они к Барабану никакого отношения не имеют. :)

[Solominka]

Автор оригинала: Советчик
Соломинка, ну как я теперь буду с тобой спорить, если ты - профессионал, а я - так себе любитель?:) :puzzled:
Буду очень рада встретиться, когда приедешь! :cheers:

Спорь на здоровье, на то он и форум! Я здесь совсем не в профессиональном качестве (увы, благодаря мне, у форумчан уже сложилось весьма негативное мнение о моей профессии, которое можно подытожить одной фразой: "Врач, исцели себя сам!":tongue: :) )
Замечательно, значит, обязательно встретимся!:) :cheers:

[zvizda]

Автор оригинала: Советчик
O yes! I did! From all the phones I have available, and I made my husband do the same thing. It's way too important. хе-хе.. демократия at its best..

т.о. получается , что никаким социальным исследованиям и опросам низзя доверять ни на йоту , и впредь можно не утруждаться и не предоставлять вниманию собеседников ни подтверждающие вашу версию, ни обличающие версию вашего оппонента ссылки.. хорошо живём , господа :-)



Соломинка , жму ручку :-)

[SLK]

Автор оригинала: Советчик
Мы с Москвичкой очень хорошо покатались. Вообще там половина катка говорила по-русски, но они к Барабану никакого отношения не имеют. :)

надо пойти вместе:)

[Nucking Futs]

Автор оригинала: Советчик
NF, bills are written in a way, that only people with special education (lawyers for example) are able to really understand it. So, instead of looking at the text of the bill, where I definetely will not be able to understand all the implications, I've read the analysis of this bill. And analysis doesn't leave any doubts.:sad:

But who do you think writes these so-called "analysis"? :) If it's a pro-analysis, it usually lists same names or parties that designed a bill. If it's a con-analysis, it lists the bill's opponents. And the bill itself isn't that difficult to read, just give it a try ;)

[Bolshoy_Slavka]

I actually agree with that. The bill is easy enough to read.
Everybody needs to make up their mind on the issue, not just follow someone else.

[ворона]

Советчик, я с тобой целиком и полносью согласна. Да, ребенку нужно отвечать на вопросы о сексе / сексуальной ориентации тогда когда он их задает и так как родители считают нужным и age appropriate. Я ничего не имею против sexual education (в смысле как не заболеть и не забеременеть) классе в 8м-9м, то есть лет в 12-13 лет самое время детям все объяснить. Но одно дело briefly mension homosexuality, что, да мол, и так бывает, и совсем другое, заострять на этом внимание, особенно когда это к делу не относится (Ну не пофиг ли для истории с кем спал колумб? Важно что он америку открыл.) и делать так довольно убогую школьную программу еще более убогой - этот крап ведь в ущерб чему-то проходить будут... Вести например дискусии о любовниках Леонардо вместо обсуждения его картин / вклада в искуство, и тд и тп. Я против.

[Dee]

Автор оригинала: ворона
Советчик, я с тобой целиком и полносью согласна. Да, ребенку нужно отвечать на вопросы о сексе / сексуальной ориентации тогда когда он их задает и так как родители считают нужным и age appropriate. Я ничего не имею против sexual education (в смысле как не заболеть и не забеременеть) классе в 8м-9м, то есть лет в 12-13 лет самое время детям все объяснить. Но одно дело briefly mension homosexuality, что, да мол, и так бывает, и совсем другое, заострять на этом внимание, особенно когда это к делу не относится (Ну не пофиг ли для истории с кем спал колумб? Важно что он америку открыл.) и делать так довольно убогую школьную программу еще более убогой - этот крап ведь в ущерб чему-то проходить будут... Вести например дискусии о любовниках Леонардо вместо обсуждения его картин / вклада в искуство, и тд и тп. Я против.

Agree for the most part, no ne po povodu hudojnikov..

[Миледи]

Автор оригинала: Nucking Futs


But who do you think writes these so-called "analysis"? :) If it's a pro-analysis, it usually lists same names or parties that designed a bill. If it's a con-analysis, it lists the bill's opponents. And the bill itself isn't that difficult to read, just give it a try ;) NF, я уже думала, что мы всё обсудили. Анализ, который я процитировала отсюда: http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1401-1450/sb_1437_cfa_20060503_085428_sen_comm.html
It's a non-partisan analysis, and at the end you can find lists of both: support and opposition. In case you get too excited about oppostion list being too short, look farther - it takes 2 pages. :)

[Миледи]

Автор оригинала: Bolshoy_Slavka
I actually agree with that. The bill is easy enough to read.
Everybody needs to make up their mind on the issue, not just follow someone else. Slava, but that's exactly the reason why you should look at the non-partisan analysis. Bill itself looks very inconspicuous, but look at it's implications!

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Автор оригинала: SLK


надо пойти вместе:) Приезжай! :) :)

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Автор оригинала: zvizda
хе-хе.. демократия at its best..

т.о. получается , что никаким социальным исследованиям и опросам низзя доверять ни на йоту , и впредь можно не утруждаться и не предоставлять вниманию собеседников ни подтверждающие вашу версию, ни обличающие версию вашего оппонента ссылки.. хорошо живём , господа :-)
Zvizda, не расстраивайтесь. Опросы обычно проводятся наоборот: Вам звонят, а не Вы звоните. Так что результатам можно доверять (относительно). :)

Я не хочу Вас обидеть, но почему Ваш ник пишется через "i". Наверняка с этим связана какая-нибудь история, расскажите!

[Bantik]

Автор оригинала: Solominka
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I hear your warning, darling!
A disclaimer: I am here in a non-professional capacity. I might be bringing some of my background knowledge into the debate, but I would never presume to educate or advise on baraban
(... anonymously... free of charge.... what's the point in any case :puzzled: :tongue: )
:) :) :) Got it! :)

[Bantik]

Для тех, которые не поняли проблему с этим билом и с похожими:

Это один ИЗ билов, которые гомосексуалисты толкают, чтобы превратить в закон.
Пройдёт этот, будут ещё. Только покруче, потому что уже есть PRECEDENT.
Знакомо слово? Нет? Не юристы?

Так вот, как в любом легальном деле, судьи смотрят на бывшие дела и билы, и на почеве старых решают новые.

Короче, будет проблема в будущем. Я вам это гарантирую!

Некоторые перлы из желаний госмосексуалистского движения:
1) Женитьба.
2) Медицина и Will
3) Adoption of children by TWO couples. Meaning two gay couples can adopt one child and be able tyo live in one household.
4) Polyamorous Legal relationships and their right to marry as such

...и это то о чём я знаю о их агенде, а что там у них ещё....

Короче, проснитесь и не идите на поводу своих чувств, ДУМАЙТЕ!

"Precedent in law is a legal case establishing a principle to be adhered to in subsequent rulings."

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Автор оригинала: Bantik
Для тех, которые не поняли проблему с этим билом и с похожими:

Это один ИЗ билов, которые гомосексуалисты толкают, чтобы превратить в закон.
Пройдёт этот, будут ещё. Только покруче, потому что уже есть PRECEDENT.

"Precedent in law is a legal case establishing a principle to be adhered to in subsequent rulings." Молодец, Бантик! Про создание прецедента я даже и не подумала. Кошмар! Ещё страшнее стало.

[ворона]

Автор оригинала: Bantik
Для тех, которые не поняли проблему с этим билом и с похожими:

Это один ИЗ билов, которые гомосексуалисты толкают, чтобы превратить в закон.
Пройдёт этот, будут ещё. Только покруче, потому что уже есть PRECEDENT.
Знакомо слово? Нет? Не юристы?

Так вот, как в любом легальном деле, судьи смотрят на бывшие дела и билы, и на почеве старых решают новые.

Короче, будет проблема в будущем. Я вам это гарантирую!

Некоторые перлы из желаний госмосексуалистского движения:
1) Женитьба.
2) Медицина и Will
3) Adoption of children by TWO couples. Meaning two gay couples can adopt one child and be able tyo live in one household.
4) Polyamorous Legal relationships and their right to marry as such

...и это то о чём я знаю о их агенде, а что там у них ещё....

Короче, проснитесь и не идите на поводу своих чувств, ДУМАЙТЕ!

"Precedent in law is a legal case establishing a principle to be adhered to in subsequent rulings." Я ничего не имею против гей мериджей, страховки и тд, и даже против адопшенов - пусть у детей будут хоть какие-то родители. НО, я не хочу чтобы не очень умные взрослые тети с дядями пудрили мозги моему ребенку в школе, вместо того чтоб его учить чему-то полезному.

[zvizda]

Автор оригинала: Советчик
Zvizda, не расстраивайтесь. Опросы обычно проводятся наоборот: Вам звонят, а не Вы звоните. Так что результатам можно доверять (относительно). :)

Я не хочу Вас обидеть, но почему Ваш ник пишется через "i". Наверняка с этим связана какая-нибудь история, расскажите! я не расстраиваюсь , я насмехаюсь, если Вы не заметили..
и Вам, наверное, известно, что методы сбора общественного мнения не ограничены "вам звонят". кроме этого, есть ещё множество всевозможных surveys , и анонимных, и тех, что on-line, участие в которых сугубо добровольное..
так што не передёргивайте, пжлста :).


a относительно моего ника.. это чтоб Вы, Советчик , спросили ;-) предположение, что в ник закралась грамматическая ашибка не верно.. ошипка закралась в то слово , которые обычно с ним ассоциируется. и что Вы, конечно , ффсё без абид!;-)

[klybnichka]

Автор оригинала: Bantik
Для тех, которые не поняли проблему с этим билом и с похожими:

Это один ИЗ билов, которые гомосексуалисты толкают, чтобы превратить в закон.
Пройдёт этот, будут ещё. Только покруче, потому что уже есть PRECEDENT.
Знакомо слово? Нет? Не юристы?

Так вот, как в любом легальном деле, судьи смотрят на бывшие дела и билы, и на почеве старых решают новые.

Короче, будет проблема в будущем. Я вам это гарантирую!

Некоторые перлы из желаний госмосексуалистского движения:
1) Женитьба.
2) Медицина и Will
3) Adoption of children by TWO couples. Meaning two gay couples can adopt one child and be able tyo live in one household.
4) Polyamorous Legal relationships and their right to marry as such

...и это то о чём я знаю о их агенде, а что там у них ещё....

Короче, проснитесь и не идите на поводу своих чувств, ДУМАЙТЕ!

"Precedent in law is a legal case establishing a principle to be adhered to in subsequent rulings."

wow....are you some kind of undercover agent in a secret gay society that's planning all this? (especially number 3 and 4 of your list)
How is this bill establishing a legal precend for other cases?

[Solominka]

Автор оригинала: klybnichka


wow....are you some kind of undercover agent in a secret gay society that's planning all this? (especially number 3 and 4 of your list)
How is this bill establishing a legal precend for other cases?

LOL!

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Автор оригинала: zvizda

a относительно моего ника.. это чтоб Вы, Советчик , спросили ;-) предположение, что в ник закралась грамматическая ашибка не верно.. ошипка закралась в то слово , которые обычно с ним ассоциируется. и что Вы, конечно , ффсё без абид!;-) LOL

[Bantik]

Машенька, киссез! Надеюсь у тебя всё великолепно?

ОК, давайте по английски, мне легче с терминами тогда...

For example, the Tobacco companies are being sued, we know about that, right?

So, when Philip Morris was sued for hundreds of millions of dollars (that was done so that the settlement was in the millions. When sued you asked for a huge amount and at the end get what you actualy want...), the courts used that as a base that someone has won already and subsequent, simmilar lawsuits against the Tobacco Industry ask for damages (usualy, a lot of money gets alloted to each state in the union, for health care and anti-smoking education too) for the same amount.

Just so you know, Bills are usually harder to fight, once they are signed into law, because only by introducing a defeat Bill to the Public and have them vote on it, is the only way to remove it off the books.

So, guys, again to reiterate, my problem is not with gays, but that the AGENDA they keep shoving in is getting out of hand.
You have heard our reasons against this and simmilar Bills, we are not mean and we do not hate, but this kind of an agenda goes against our basic understanding of what we are as humans, our values and how we feel. The majority of people are against gay agenda, but do accept them. Having laws pass that will give more rights to them* than us is WRONG!

*The reason I say that, is because this Bill will have "Gay" mentioned for the writers, artists, etc., who were gay, but will not do the same for the straight, pedophile, polyamourous, vegetarians and the disabled people.

Hugs!

[klybnichka]

I understand how the legal precedent this works :)

what I don't get is how will this bill form a precedent for other bills that will introduce multiple-gay-couple adoptions, polygamy and gay marriage?

P.S. everything is peachy :)

[Irka]

Wow! Ya takuyu temu propustila! Sorry, eshe ne uspela vse prochitat', and can't reply to anyone. However, in my humble opinion the bill that says that textbooks should not discriminate based on sex, religion or race should absolutely be passed!

Homosexuality although a part of it, is not the exclusive topic of this bill. As far as I understood, nowhere did it say that the kids now HAVE TO BE TAUGHT about it.

[stud becker]

Автор оригинала: Советчик
May be you don't have kids yet, but eventually you will. Do you want them to be exposed to questions of homosexuality in kindergartens?
And those who already have kids, I don't think I need to argue my cause with you. PLEASE CALL!!!

It only takes 20 seconds of your time - I tried it!

California legislators have passed a bill, SB1437, that indoctrinates school children with the homosexual agenda. The bill requires that all new text books (k-12) highlight homosexuals.
Here is excerpts from Analysis of the bill by Senate Committee on Education:

"Bill revises the social sciences course of study to include the age appropriate study of the role and contributions of men, women, various ethnic groups and and people who are lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender, to the economic, political, and social development of California and the United States of America, with particular emphasis on portraying the role of these groups in contemporary society."

This bill is ridiculous, it's expensive and it singles out a small special interest group. We don't need elementary school children exposed to this nonsense.

The governor is doing a phone poll. Urge him to veto this bill. It's very easy, you don't even have to talk to anyone...just follow the instructions below:

Please call the governor's office at 916-445-2841. The phone recording will ask:
A. If you want this message in English?: yes, press 1
B. Is this in regards to a legislation bill? yes, press 2
C. Is the bill SB 1437? yes, press 1
D. Are you in favor of this legislation? no, press 2

It takes less than 30 seconds to make the call.

Please feel free to pass this message along to your friends!!!! A person's sexual orienation should remain in the bedroom, NOT THE CLASSROOM!

I think it is disgusting.
We better stop sexual and religious propaganda.
Tax payers would not pay for this B.S.

[Bolshoy_Slavka]

Автор оригинала: Bantik


*The reason I say that, is because this Bill will have "Gay" mentioned for the writers, artists, etc., who were gay, but will not do the same for the straight, pedophile, polyamourous, vegetarians and the disabled people.

Hugs!

I completely agree with this statement (Bantik, are you shocked yet?). Kids (!) don't need to know what sexual (or any other) orientation the writers or composers were, they just need to learn how to open their minds to the brilliant works. That should be the whole point of them going to school. (novel concept, eh? ;) )

[zvizda]

Автор оригинала: Советчик
LOL Вам смИшно, а я за свои двадцать с лишним тысяч сообщений и двадцать с лишним лет почти осмысленной жизни, знаете сколько повидала людей с нездоровыми ассоциациями (на данном форуме в том числе) ?..
много больше, чем людей с нетрадиционной ориентацией.
:(

[zvizda]

Автор оригинала: Bantik

So, guys, again to reiterate, my problem is not with gays, but that the AGENDA they keep shoving in is getting out of hand.
You have heard our reasons against this and simmilar Bills, we are not mean and we do not hate, but this kind of an agenda goes against our basic understanding of what we are as humans, our values and how we feel. The majority of people are against gay agenda, but do accept them. Having laws pass that will give more rights to them* than us is WRONG!

*The reason I say that, is because this Bill will have "Gay" mentioned for the writers, artists, etc., who were gay, but will not do the same for the straight, pedophile, polyamourous, vegetarians and the disabled people.

Hugs! "we are" ? Bantik speaking out loud on behalf of all человечество ? since when ? )

[SLK]

Автор оригинала: Bolshoy_Slavka


I completely agree with this statement (Bantik, are you shocked yet?). Kids (!) don't need to know what sexual (or any other) orientation the writers or composers were, they just need to learn how to open their minds to the brilliant works. That should be the whole point of them going to school. (novel concept, eh? ;) )

My point EXACTLY!:cheers:

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Автор оригинала: zvizda
Вам смИшно, а я за свои двадцать с лишним тысяч сообщений и двадцать с лишним лет почти осмысленной жизни, знаете сколько повидала людей с нездоровыми ассоциациями (на данном форуме в том числе) ?..
много больше, чем людей с нетрадиционной ориентацией.
:( Zvizda, 20 тысяч - это круто! А почему теперь так редко появляетесь? В кометы метите? :grin:

[Bantik]

Автор оригинала: zvizda
"we are" ? Bantik speaking out loud on behalf of all человечество ? since when ? ) No sweetheart, just the people who are being misunderstood and labeled homophobic, predjudiced, redneck, etc.....

[stud becker]

Автор оригинала: Советчик
Zvizda, 20 тысяч - это круто! А почему теперь так редко появляетесь? В кометы метите? :grin:
дас, она сгореть собралась, явно не на работе,
но боюсь, что кому то пепел на голову
посыпется таки

[zvizda]

Автор оригинала: Советчик
Zvizda, 20 тысяч - это круто! А почему теперь так редко появляетесь? В кометы метите? :grin:
берите выше, - обзавелась собственным спутником :tongue:

[zvizda]

Автор оригинала: stud becker

дас, она сгореть собралась, явно не на работе,
но боюсь, что кому то пепел на голову
посыпется таки ты туда не ходЫ, сюда ходЫ, пепел башка попадёт, саавсЭм мёртвый будИшь..

[Миледи]

Автор оригинала: zvizda

берите выше, - обзавелась собственным спутником :tongue: Поздравляю! Тут слухи ходят, что скоро ещё один появится (маленький).

[zvizda]

Автор оригинала: Советчик
Поздравляю! Тут слухи ходят, что скоро ещё один появится (маленький).
я про него , про маленького и говорю.. спасибо!

[Prickol]

Автор оригинала: Solominka



I also think that the words "age appropriate" should not be disregarded by our hot-headed conservative forum members...:) :)

PS: do they really teach social sciences in kindergartens? I had no idea...:)
Зная некоторых учителей, я бы не доверил им даже права определять что можно говорить детям а что нельзя об отношении полов...